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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-01-05 04:09 pm

[ SECRET POST #1464 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1464 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 108 secrets from Secret Submission Post #209.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

[identity profile] fscom.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] ariseishirou.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, what? How does this make you a bad feminist? For suspecting the charges against him may be trumped-up? There is every reason to suspect that, given the context. o_O

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(Anonymous) 2011-01-05 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
well op, i admire you for having the courage to submitting this horrible, horrible secret to f!s. you are awesome. it must have been hard living your life, coping with this inside of you. i can only imagine what you must have felt like hiding this from the people you love, smiling while they would not suspect a thing. it's great that you could finally come out with this here, even if just anonymously. you are not alone, op! you are not alone. *hugs*

(Anonymous) 2011-01-05 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I support him too, and I would also consider myself a feminist. The charges are spurious and quite suspicious.

Plus, you know, innocent until proven guilty.

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[identity profile] kribban.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish more people would come out and say they think he's a brave hero who has done a lot of good and a rapist. Seriously, you can be both. Good people do horrible things. Horrible people do good things.

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(Anonymous) 2011-01-05 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not unfeminist to say "I need more evidence before I believe these particular, specific rape charges in this one instance, because they look really suspicious to me considering the circumstances." There's a big difference between doubting someone's guilt and insisting on someone's innocence, really.

Now if you were doing that for every accusation of rape, that would be awful. But you're not doing that.

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[identity profile] oflittlebrain.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
i don't think it's okay to JOKE about it a la humon. but, you know, given the circumstances of this particular case, i think a bit of suspicion is reasonable until things get cleared up.

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10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Julian Assange

[identity profile] meran-flash.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden

[identity profile] cigarettelover.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I am always torn between 'innocent until proven guilty' and 'always believe the victims' when it comes to rape cases especially. I believe that, if he is guilty, he should do the time, but I also believe that, if he is innocent, the way the rape allegations have been used against him are despicable. I also believe that he is incredibly brave (and hot, but that's just me and my fucked up daddy issues). Many people seem to be like 'baaaaw, so many people in Wikileaks, why does he get the credit' and forget that, by being the face of Wikileaks, he puts himself in an incredibly dangerous position.

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dear people who want to consider the special circumstances

(Anonymous) 2011-01-05 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
there's ALWAYS "special circumstances".

that guy pissed off the governments of lots of nation states.
this one here is my best friend, so he can't possibly.
that one over there was seen holding hands with the "alleged victim" and she didn't run away or scream so everything must have been ok.
the one on the news is a rockstar and those bitches probably just made that up because they want to ride in on his fame.
the one you told me about always seemed nice to me, why would he?
that one had a troubled relationship with this girl and they were both really nasty with each other so she probably just said that to get back at him.
this one's the captain of the football team.
that one is a well-respected member of the community and she's just some black whore she probably asked for it.

fuck you all.

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[identity profile] mollywobbles867.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
If I'm going to congratulate anyone for the leaks, it's going to be Bradley Manning who is the person who got the documents in the first place. Assange has...what? Not deleted them? Tbh, I think he just enjoys the fame and doesn't give a shit about the truth about world governments.

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Oh Lord, it's the 'Roman Polanski made a film I liked! Therefore, he can't possibly be a rapist!' bullshit all over again.

A person can do something righteous one day and something utterly horrible the next.

[identity profile] thememusicc.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
So is there a Wikileaks fandom or

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[identity profile] dethtoll.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
ladies and gentlemen horrible misogynist rape-machines, [livejournal.com profile] meran_flash has returned.

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[identity profile] theditz.livejournal.com 2011-01-05 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
This discussions seems to be only whether the women lied or not, so I wanted to ask... Isn't this what the justice system is kind of, you know... there for?

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(Anonymous) 2011-01-05 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
This is less directed at the OP and more at the thread above *eyes it in awe* but - maybe I am being dense - I'm not sure I understand how believing the victims and believing that the charges at this time are being used because they're convenient. Do I believe the victims? Well, I'm not in the habit of assuming victims are lying, so, yes. But I also have no trouble believing that their accusations are being used for political expediency. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

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I support what Wikileaks is doing, and so by extension, his involvement in that. But I don't support him /coolstorybro

If he's ever cleared, or if it actually does turn out to be one big conspiracy against him then I'll be in the same boat as you OP.
"if" being the key word here

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[identity profile] jesidres.livejournal.com 2011-01-06 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
You can think of him as a hero for what he did with cables, but you also be upset that he's come out and said the Sweden "is the Saudi Arabia of Feminism", that his plight is the same as Anti-Semetism, and that he's complained about HIS privacy, but been supportive of his accusers being called 'honeypots' and other derogatory names, along with their personal information posted.

If you think he's a hero and excuse the above behavior, yeah, you kinda DO fail as a feminist.

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(Anonymous) 2011-01-06 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, you said you were a feminist, not that you're a decent human being. I can see why--since you're a piece of shit--you would admire an even bigger piece of shit.
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[identity profile] alt-baie.livejournal.com 2011-01-06 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Ad hominem. He's a hero.

[identity profile] mistress-siana.livejournal.com 2011-01-06 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
He's innocent until proven guilty.

As are the women who accuse him.

Really, people.

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(Anonymous) 2011-01-06 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
This thread has been so upsetting to me. "OMG, poor men, sometimes women supposedly lie and make rape allegations that are proven untrue!" Sure, maybe... but maybe if men were so scared of that and so pissed off about it, they would do their best to stop rape culture. Speak out against it. Rape culture hurts women AND men. Besides, I don't have any raw data, but I'd be willing to guess that more rapists walk free than there are men who have been falsely accused of rape. So what's the real problem here? How about the fact that women feel that they can't speak out if they've been raped? That seems like more of a real concern than some dude being inconvenienced because he has to ask a girl, "Is this okay?" first, instead of just shoving his penis inside of her without warning.

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