[identity profile] mzrowan.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
I took a photo of the fake Spare Change guy at Kendall last night. (For those of you who haven't heard about this before, here's the Boston.com article about it.) I noticed that the photo [livejournal.com profile] anomie666 posted here in March isn't available anymore, so I figured I'd post mine.

Needless to say, he wasn't happy I took his photo. He came up and yelled at me, calling me a "skinhead" and saying, "You couldn't even sell yourself, because you're bald!". For the record, while my hair is very short, I am neither bald nor a skinhead, in any sense of the word. ;-) I was a little worried he was going to try to take my phone, but he didn't make any moves to touch me or my stuff.

Please pass this photo along to anyone you know who rides the Red line in Cambridge/Somerville. What do folks think: Is it worth it to email it to the local newspapers or the MBTA? It seems like the Spare Change people are well informed about who he is, so I don't think they really need a photo.

Date: 2009-07-01 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whaler.livejournal.com
I'm kind of skeeved out by how this man is being photographed and monitored by this community like a tagged striped bass. Sure he's done some unscrupulous things, but he's still a human being.

I totally agree.

Date: 2009-07-01 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nvidia99999.livejournal.com
This community tends to have its mob periods from time to time, not unlike redneck ones. But we eat healthier and more expensive food! :)

Date: 2009-07-01 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
He can stop scamming people any time and then we'll leave him alone. He's been at this for more than three years now.

Stealing from a charity is just wrong.
Edited Date: 2009-07-01 07:11 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-01 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somertricky.livejournal.com
He's been running his scam since the days of Editorial Humor, so it's more like thirteen...

Date: 2009-07-01 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adaptively.livejournal.com
Seriously, I think it's not only sketchy, but pretty dehumanizing, too. This comm (and b0st0n, too) sort of has a problem with treating the homeless as things rather than people. :\

Date: 2009-07-01 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
We don't know that he's homeless, and most homeless people don't engage in scams like this.

Date: 2009-07-01 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adaptively.livejournal.com
The Globe article refers to him as "an apparent homeless man;" I think, short of actually speaking to him like a human being, that's the closest affirmation we'll get.

The same attitude hits Big Mike (who isn't homeless, but gets the same "ha ha, look at that asshole" treatment) and the guy who used to yell "SPARE CHANGE" in the Common - he's a running joke. It's pretty crappy, either way.

Date: 2009-07-01 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whaler.livejournal.com
Exactly, I'd really like to know how many people who are so outraged by the fact that he isn't a legitimate spare change seller, actually have ever bought a copy of spare change.

(I know you are all going to say you buy it once a week and love supporting this charity, but I think it's a little hypocritical if you aren't going to be sympathetic to this particular homeless person)

Date: 2009-07-01 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
I buy it. Probably about once a month. I'm sympathetic to the organization and its legitimate sellers, which is why I'm not sympathetic to someone who is stealing from them and damaging their good name.

I never buy the Spare Change

Date: 2009-07-01 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nvidia99999.livejournal.com
I give money to some homeless people, at times. But I definitely don't want to touch one of those Spare Change papers. Who knows where they have been...

Re: I never buy the Spare Change

Date: 2009-07-01 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whaler.livejournal.com
Well I wouldn't got that far, it is a really great program.

Re: I never buy the Spare Change

Date: 2009-07-01 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smacaski.livejournal.com
Every legitimate Spare Change seller I've encountered has been reasonably clean and quite friendly. Personally, I feel much dirtier touching a copy of the Boston Herald than a copy of Spare Change. Ew, Howie Carr stench...

Date: 2009-07-01 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
I have a regular Spare Change guy named John DeWolfe ("Like the real estate people, without all the money") who I've befriended. He's at South Station and he sings his pitch, "Spare Change NewsPAPer!"

He's not really homeless, I don't think. And he works construction when he can. He's an older guy, always telling jokes.

He won't sell me his papers, becase he considers me a friend. I have loaned him money, and given him things (an old camera I never used, a backpack, T-shirts when I've gone on vacations). He's given me Christmas cards and little gifts at times too.

I haven't seen him in a while...I hope he's doing okay.

Date: 2009-07-03 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
I buy it once a month. The people who actually sell Spare Change work hard. This man is scamming not only passersby, but his fellow homeless people. The Globe interviewed some actual Spare Change sellers who expressed this; I've heard the same first-hand from Spare Change vendors.

Seriously, this pisses me off, because his shitty attitude and scam behavior make it harder for legit Spare Change vendors to make money.

Date: 2009-07-01 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oakenguy.livejournal.com
Do you really think that's what's going on in this case? Based on the number of people who show up in the comments each time this guy gets mentioned to describe how he's acted like a creep and verbally harassed them, I don't get the sense that anyone's dehumanizing him; instead they're treating him like a minor celebrity who's a real jerk.

Date: 2009-07-01 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adaptively.livejournal.com
If someone took a picture of me on the T (not a "public place," as photography is illegal) to post on the 'net without my permission, for the sole purpose of trashing my way of making ends meet, I would feel dehumanized...dunno about you, though.

Date: 2009-07-01 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adaptively.livejournal.com
Yup, I would have the same problem - it's a crappy thing to do to a person. It's generally considered good photographer's etiquette to ask before taking someone's photo, especially if you're planning on distributing it.

He has feelings and opinions, possibly even ones about where he wants his image shown - unless you got him to sign a release, in which case all bets are off. This just comes across as a little bit vengeful and voyeuristic. I'd suggest reporting him to a T cop if you're being scammed or see him scamming others, rather than going vigilante. (I am all about the "v" words today!) No hard feelings from me, just trying to get my opinion across on the matter.

To [livejournal.com profile] chenoameg, because I'm too lazy to make two comments, that's what the nice police officer told me when they took away my SD card on the red line - granted, policy has apparently changed since that happened in 2006, but I err on the side of not losing SD cards/being searched by the po-po.

Date: 2009-07-01 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chenoameg.livejournal.com
Where are you getting the idea that photography on the T is illegal? See the above comment which links to the MBTA photography policy.

Date: 2009-07-01 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkgrrl658.livejournal.com
lol!

i bet you have a real bone to pick with wanted posters, too.

Date: 2009-07-01 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adaptively.livejournal.com
Wanted posters are mugshots posted by cops after the subject has signed a release. (Seriously - the form I had to sign looked almost identical to the standard model release form.) The person who took & posted the picture isn't a cop. It's the cops' job to do this, not theirs. Am I getting old?!

(Note that this is probably the most respect I've shown for the police...ever.)

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Date: 2009-07-01 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tanick.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm not sure this counts as "making ends meet" any more than a con-artist swindling someone out of any amount of money counts as making a living...

Asking for spare change is an entirely different story from willfully misleading someone into purchasing a newspaper, then switching it for something which can be optained freely.

If I were swindling people out of their money and people called me on it, and tried to spread the word that I was a con artist, would I be angry? Absolutely. Would I feel dehumanized? Can't say. Would they be justified in doing so, because I am doing something wrong? You betcha!
Edited Date: 2009-07-01 08:44 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-01 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
What he is doing is equivalent to reaching into a busker's basket and stealing money. This is not a proper way to "make ends meet". Wouldn't you want to make people aware of this so that he stops doing it?
Edited Date: 2009-07-01 09:40 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-01 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oakenguy.livejournal.com
If I was a con artist, who'd been doing the same con in the same place for at least nine years, and while in the process of doing the con someone took my picture, I'd feel a range of negative emotions, sure, but dehumanized? Please.

No one's taking his picture while he's peacefully eating at Dunkin' Donuts, or while he's standing in line for the Tilt-a-Whirl at Canobie Park, or while he's blowing out his birthday candles. No one's picketing his church with "GOD HATES SCAMMERS" signs. Saying these posts dehumanize him is like saying the BPD dehumanizes people when they publicize pictures of them robbing a gas station.

Date: 2009-07-02 12:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cos
If your way of making ends meet were to cheat people, though, I think it'd be legitimate for them to do that to warn each other away from being cheated. If this guy were not cheating people, then there'd be no need to warn people away from him, but since he is, a photo is very useful: people who see the photo can recognize him and prevent being cheated.

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