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”New twists. New turns. You'll just have to wait and see what tricks we've got up our 8 mechanical sleeves.

The die?

It will be cast.” — Dan Slott

A flashback to Otto’s time as Spider-Man…







Date: 2023-10-11 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
Tritium isn't _that_ rare

Date: 2023-10-11 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blues32
This...is really rare for Otto at this point in time. Just flat out pretending he didn't hear her...or maybe he DIDN'T hear her, so absorbed in own thoughts that it came in as background noise that his brain registered as his own idea.

Date: 2023-10-11 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
It comes across like he thinks he thought of it himself! It's honestly kind of weird!

Date: 2023-10-11 01:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
It honestly seems like that's what happened.

He literally thought her voice was just his own brain.....man that is some next level mental problems.

Date: 2023-10-11 09:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deepspaceartist
I mean, to be fair Otto of this time period does have a recurring problem of hearing a voice in his head that isn't his own. It's just that it's usually Peter Parker's voice. Maybe her voice is just eerily similar to Peter's?

Date: 2023-10-11 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Dan Slott gets more flak than I think he deserves overall, but this is a tic of his that I could do without: when usually-intelligent characters act like Hanna-Barbera morons just because Slott has a point to make. (It reminds me of Jason Aaron's run on Thor, where the usually enlightened Absorbing Man and Odin turned into caveman sexists, just so Jane-Thor could oppose some sexism without us having to learn any new characters' names.) It's especially disappointing to see this from Ock-as-Peter, one of Slott's best and most nuanced creations overall.

Yes, I realize this is a statement about what actually happens to women and POCs in the workplace. And sure, the old "stop distracting me, you prattling underlings...WAIT, I'VE GOT IT, I'M A GENIUS" gag is a classic throwaway bit. But the whole point of the Superior Spider-Man was Ock trying to be better than his old self, which sometimes led him to succeed and sometimes led him to fail in new and interesting ways.

I think it would be more in line with that for Ock to fete his underling and actually share the credit with her for half an hour or so...and then his ego could kick back in, after #23 has had a taste of the idea that he could treat her as an equal. Every time he remembered the breakthrough, her role would get lesser and lesser until it was erased entirely. This would play into the idea of the revision of memory, it'd still give her plenty of reason to resent and sabotage him, and it'd feel true to the character. Instead, well, we get this: a 2020s social issue, handled with 1940s-level subtlety.

Date: 2023-10-11 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blues32
...so you think it would be more in line for Otto if he was like Cartman and the "fish sticks" joke? Doc Ock may have an ego problem, but even he isn't Eric Cartman level.

Date: 2023-10-11 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
I mean, better South Park than Hanna-Barbera?

I think Otto doesn't need to be so over-the-top as Cartman because unlike Cartman (who disregards his friends' common sense all the time), Otto has no one to oppose him or call him out. We saw him talk himself into other beliefs after the momentary impulse to try better left him.

In the story as a whole, we do get a sense of his ongoing relationship with #23 (first known as Estrella), and why she has reason to feel jilted. I just wish the load-bearing column of plot on these pages wasn't so shaky.

Date: 2023-10-12 12:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
This feels too much like classic Otto for that time period, like he's -too- much of an arrogant asshole for when he was still at least kind of pretending to be Peter Parker. Not even the Avengers would have been able to brush this off as normal Spider-Man behavior. There's no subtlety to this performance.

Date: 2023-10-11 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
"That's what I like about you, boss. You're not afraid to go vaudeville on a guy."


Most of the story is a flashback, and even by the end of it Otto is still Otto, not Spider-Otto. So it's not really a "return", is it?
(Maybe a return to Superior Spider-Man, but that feels like a stretch.)

Date: 2023-10-11 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blues32
So is the reason Otto can't remember how he solved it in the past because he literally didn't solve it?

Date: 2023-10-11 05:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
Dick move, doctor.

Date: 2023-10-12 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
I'm honestly rooting for Supernova here.

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