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Preventing Homosexuality (and Uppity Women) in the Womb? @ Bioethics Forum.

To summarise, some researchers are giving out a class C drug (not thoroughly tested on humans, but shown to be damaging to fetuses in the womb in animals) to women whose unborn girls may have Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia. That's a condition that makes women's lady-bits look more "male" and such women tend to be, well, a little "queer" or less inclined to be the good little wife.

I don't know what else I can say, than what I said in a comment at Shakesville:

Fuck you, researchers. I am not a deviation from a norm. I am beautifully, diversely, strangely, incomprehensibly DIFFERENT. I am not one or the other. I am not femme nor butch. I am not strictly gay or straight. I am not a tomboy or a girly-girl. I defy categorisation and so do so many women in this world and I tell you, the fight isn't easy to be different, but I would never, ever take that away from any child I might have that might share my make-up. I consider it a gift, a gift with problems but a gift nonetheless.

There's a song that was on HR Pufnstuf that I've remembered my whole life, that was sung by the wonderful Cass Elliot.

"Different is hard, different is lonely, different is trouble for you only. Different is heartache, different is pain. But I'd rather be different than be the same."


So you can take your dexamethasone and stick it up your bigoted arses.

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Date: 2010-07-01 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asweetdownfall.livejournal.com
I don't know how the hell that woman got a doctorate. I seriously don't.

P.S. Your comment is beautiful. <33

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Date: 2010-07-01 08:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bewarethespork.livejournal.com
What. The fuck. Is this shit?

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Date: 2010-07-01 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hippiegal22.livejournal.com
Geez. *rolls eyes*

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Date: 2010-07-01 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drbunsen.livejournal.com
AHHAHAHJShfdsohwaedsARY

gak

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Date: 2010-07-01 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drbunsen.livejournal.com
Now that my brain has resumed functioning:

Permission to [livejournal.com profile] metaquote, ma'am?

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Date: 2010-07-03 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drbunsen.livejournal.com
Argh. One of their rules is that the quote must originate on LJ. I've been hoist on that petard before, quoting someone's repost from Twitter.

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Date: 2010-07-03 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
It does originate on LJ, doesn't it? I mean, that's where I posted it. It's my post. I'm quoting something I said elsewhere in MY post. :/

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Date: 2010-07-04 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drbunsen.livejournal.com
Posted. We'll see what the mods say

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Date: 2010-07-04 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ftmichael.livejournal.com
Here from [livejournal.com profile] metaquotes. You might enjoy [livejournal.com profile] i_am_pansexual and [livejournal.com profile] genderqueer, among others. :)

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Date: 2010-07-04 06:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
Hello! I'll have to check those comms out, they sound awesome!

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Date: 2010-07-04 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colubra.livejournal.com
Oh WELL-SAID. I, for one,would rather be in a room with 20 people who were different from each other, and from me. That's where the best conversations come from.

While different can be hard- anything worth doing is hard. Keep doin' it!

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Date: 2010-07-04 06:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
Wouldn't give it up for the world! Life would be so dull! :D

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Date: 2010-07-04 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colubra.livejournal.com
A quote comes to mind:

"Life is a banquet, and most sons of bitches are starving themselves!" -Auntie Mame

Fly yer freak flag high- and always know someone's proud of you for it.

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Date: 2010-07-05 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mackenziex.livejournal.com
*stare* *blink* Um ... has it occurred to any of these overly educated morons that homosexuality is nature's way of introducing a form of birth control into an over populated species? Have they not noticed the six or so gazillion people on this planet, many of whom don't even have their most basic needs met?

Now, I don't have actual statistical data on this sort of thing, but last time I checked lesbians weren't making any appearances on shows with titles such as "I didn't know I was pregnant!" or "Joan and Kate plus 8" or "18 Kids and Counting".

And to quote my absolutely heterosexual sister, Jag, "Guys are nice and fun to play with, but I've yet to come across one that can't be replaced by a fairly decent vibrator. And there's that whole pregnancy thing. Ick and Ow!"

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Date: 2010-07-06 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
Quite a few LBG couples have kids, but usually it's a big decision, there's lots of planning and it's not a huge family. There's family planning involved, and family planning is what needs to be done in the human populations.

Guys are lovely, I've just not met one that's worked with me yet.

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Date: 2010-07-10 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mackenziex.livejournal.com
(points and nods) Exactly what I'm saying! If Cordy and I eventually want to have a kid or two, we have to put time, effort, and money into it. Planning! "Oops!" is not a valid excuse for bringing a child or ten into this world.

And I'm sure the right person will drop into your life. :) You're too wonderful a person for someone spectacularly special not to love you to bits.

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Date: 2010-07-10 05:15 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lauredhel.livejournal.com
Unplanned does not equal unwanted or unloved or uncared-for, and people shouldn't need an "excuse" to reproduce, under any circumstances. I'd like it if we could all respect each other's reproductive rights.

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Date: 2010-07-10 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mackenziex.livejournal.com
Damn, even online I just blurt things out and sound stupid.

I don't mean that a child conceived on accident would be unwanted or unloved or uncared for. Neither do I mean that people need an excuse to have children. Gods know my parents didn't plan to have kids as soon as they did, or even as many as they did. But they did plan to at some point have some kids.

But I don't think it's just a matter of reproductive rights. It's a matter of reproductive responsibility, too. If someone brings a new life into this world, they should provide for the child they helped make. Food, shelter, clothing, love and support. There needs to be a plan in place for all of that, even a "just in case" plan for when accidents happen. Because it's one thing for a child to know they're an accident, it isn't okay for their parents to make them feel like they're a mistake.

I could only hope that more future parents put half as much thought into having a child or not as a same sex couple has to.

Sorry, I don't mean to rant, but one of my cousins just had a baby and she's started asking when Cordy and I are going to find a nice donor and have one or two of our own. It's been hitting a few sore points.

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Date: 2010-07-10 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
Dude, my sister is always telling me the biological clock is ticking. She's right, but I hate to hear it!

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Date: 2010-07-15 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mackenziex.livejournal.com
My biological clock seems to have stopped completely. It isn't ticking at all, and Cordy doesn't particularly want children either. We've helped raise my nephew and my youngest sister, that's been enough for us.

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Date: 2010-07-15 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
My life would be so much simpler if I didn't want children. Unfortunately, I want them very, very badly. It is unfortunate because I can't have any until my life is sorted out, and my life is very much a big friggin' mess.

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Date: 2010-07-15 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mackenziex.livejournal.com
You'll be a great Mommy. :)

You *will* get things sorted out eventually. You *will* have the cutest little baby in the world.

Remember what the Klingons say! What doesn't kill us makes us stronger! ;)

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Date: 2010-07-17 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
Thanks, sweetie. I hope so!

I thought they said "TODAY, I AM A WARRIOR! I SHALL SHOW YOU MY HEART, AS I TRAVEL DOWN THE RIVER OF BLOOD! RAAAAAH!"

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Date: 2010-07-18 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mackenziex.livejournal.com
LOL! They say that too, usually during their adulthood ritual. While they get jabbed with cattle prods. Sounds fun, right?

There is also "Today is a good day to die", but that isn't one of my favorites. Frankly, if you ask me, today maybe a good day to die, but it's a better day for the guy on the other side to die.

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Date: 2010-07-11 08:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lauredhel.livejournal.com
Yes - I think you just hit a personal button that's been pressed for me one time too many in feminist/"feminist" conversations elsewhere: That there is one perfect way to have a baby, with two committed cohabiting partners together for some years and financially "secure" who then carefully plan their perfect abled baby to come at the exact time they wish... and anything else is an oops or a mistake or doomed or inferior in various other ways. Having seen how (het) families with intensely-planned children sometimes/often turn out, I'm not at all convinced that there's any superior mode.

"Just in case" plans are fine, even plans put into place after the fact are fine. So long as there's love and care, it's all good.

Sorry you're getting the pressure. (And as if "finding a nice donor" was something you could do just off the top of your hat!)

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Date: 2010-07-11 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
That there is one perfect way to have a baby, with two committed cohabiting partners together for some years and financially "secure" who then carefully plan their perfect abled baby to come at the exact time they wish... and anything else is an oops or a mistake or doomed or inferior in various other ways.

*sigh* I know that one all too well. The things I've heard when I've mentioned having a kid on my own.

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Date: 2010-07-15 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mackenziex.livejournal.com
There is no perfect way to have a baby. There is no perfect plan. A plan is better than no plan. So if you want to have a kid on your own, have your kid. You'll be a great Mommy. You have an idea of what you want, you'll work out the details as you go.

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Date: 2010-07-10 08:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
I'm from a family of planned and unplanned pregnancies, and I know if I ever accidentally got pregnant, that baby would be deeply loved. My only point was that gay people still had kids and that family planning is good (it doesn't always work and that's okay too).

I don't malign accidental pregnancies or think they shouldn't ever happen. Sorry if it came across that way in the discussion.

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Date: 2010-07-11 08:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lauredhel.livejournal.com
Not at all!

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